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Plumbers & electricians in Upper Norwood
Upper Norwood sits high on the ridge in tall Victorian houses, and a great many of them are still heating themselves with water that has been going round the same steel radiators for forty years.
4.7 from 186 Google reviewsThe Triangle is the top of it, where Westow Hill, Westow Street and Church Road meet under the transmitter mast. From there the ridge splits in two, Central Hill running north west and Church Road south west, with the park dropping away east and Gipsy Hill falling to the station.
The stock is mostly mid to late Victorian, put up during and after the Crystal Palace years: stock brick terraces and villas of three and four storeys, high ceilings and long stair runs, and the big detached houses along Church Road and Beulah Hill. A great many were divided into flats decades ago, so one address can hold three kitchens and three bathrooms fed off pipework nobody ever drew on paper.
Two doors on the same street can need entirely different work. One house still runs an open vented system with a tank in the loft, the next has a combi in a cupboard, and the flat above wants an EV charger. We cover plumbing and electrical both, from shower rooms to a blocked drain in Upper Norwood and the consumer unit behind it.
Why the radiators are hot at the top and stone cold at the bottom
An open vented system, the sort fed by a small tank in the loft, is open to the air by design. The water in it is never short of oxygen, and oxygen, water and steel radiators do the only thing they can do together, which is rust from the inside. The result is magnetite, a fine black iron oxide that turns the water the colour of ink. While the pump runs it stays in suspension, and where the water slows it settles. The slowest water in the house is at the bottom of a radiator and inside the heat exchanger.
So the first sign is a radiator hot across the top and cold across the bottom third, where bleeding changes nothing because there is no air in it. That cold band is a bed of sludge the water now flows over rather than through, and in a tall house the far end of the circuit goes first, so the top floor is lukewarm while downstairs is fine. The boiler shows it differently. A heat exchanger with restricted flow heats the little water still passing through far too fast, so the burner fires, hits its limit inside a minute and shuts down, then starts again. That is short cycling, and it usually arrives with a kettling noise and a pump gone from a hum to a whine.
There are three honest answers and only one is right for any given house. A chemical clean, where cleaner circulates for a week before the system is drained and refilled, is real but modest, and suits a system that is dirty rather than choked. A powerflush is a different job, a high volume pump on the system for most of a day, worked radiator by radiator with a magnet on each. And sometimes the truthful answer is that the system is finished, because radiators corroding from the inside for decades are thin, and flushing hard finds the thin places and turns them into pinholes a fortnight later. A magnetic filter goes on afterwards and never instead, because it catches what the system keeps making but cannot reach what is already lying in your radiators.
What SE19 covers
- Upper Norwood
- Crystal Palace
- Gipsy Hill
Post town London. If your postcode begins SE19, you are inside the patch.
SE19: questions we actually get asked
Do you cover Crystal Palace and Gipsy Hill as well as Upper Norwood?
Yes. SE19 takes in Upper Norwood, most of Crystal Palace and Gipsy Hill, and the boundaries are busy up here because several boroughs meet near the top of the hill. We work over the edges into Sydenham, Penge and South Norwood too, so an emergency plumber in Upper Norwood is the same call whichever side of the ridge you are on.
I bled the radiator and it is still cold at the bottom. What now?
Bleeding only removes air, and air sits at the top, so a radiator cold at the bottom after bleeding is telling you the problem is not air. It is almost always sludge in the base of the panel. Take it off the wall and it will be heavy, and what comes out will be black.
Is a powerflush worth doing before a new boiler goes in?
On an old open vented system, usually. A modern heat exchanger has far narrower waterways than a boiler from the eighties, so debris the old one tolerated for years will choke the new one. Cleaning first is often the difference between a boiler repair in Upper Norwood two winters from now and a boiler left alone. If the radiators are past saving, better to know before the boiler is ordered.
Do you handle electrical work in these houses too, or only plumbing?
Both. Plenty of what we do here is a plumbing job with an electrical half to it. We fit EV chargers as well, and in a converted Victorian house the awkward part is rarely the charger, it is where the supply enters the building and how the cable reaches the parking space. An electrician in Upper Norwood and a plumber are the same number here.
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What we do in Upper Norwood
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